Canon announces the Rebel T1i and 270EX Speedlight

WOW! ISO 12800 out of an entry-level dSLR! That is definitely going to give Nikon a run for their money. Makes me wish I had held out on the D300 to see what Nikon would've come out with to compete
 
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Ray...I don't think you're missing anything on that D300...that thing is still one of the killers for high ISO in its class.

But I like to see the moves by Canon...a little competition should benefit us all as the other manufacturers now come up with their upgrades and new models to compete, and 'keep up with the Joneses'!
 
"Grumpwurst" said:
WOW! ISO 12800 out of an entry-level dSLR! That is definitely going to give Nikon a run for their money. Makes me wish I had held out on the D300 to see what Nikon would've come out with to compete
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Ray, this is the same sensor as the 50D. If you look at the noise tests from a site that shall not be named, they said that after ISO 1600 the D300 just blows away the 50D, mostly because of the large amounts of built-in noise reduction, which Canon is including on all images above a certain ISO now, even with RAW. (That's coming from what I've read; Sony set the standard because the A700 still did NR onchip with NR "off" until the most recent FW update. Canon kind of hinted at it in their white paper on the 5D Mk2 by the terminology of "tweaking" the "amplification" of the sensors) It may have the high ISO but the loss of detail is apparent.
 
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Isn't competition grand? They got Auto ISO and CLS (builtin wireless flash) yet? Isn't this Canon's answer to the D90?

Now, who's going to be the first with a sub-$1,000 FX body?
 
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"Scottwdw" said:
Isn't competition grand?
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Yes, it is. The only way these things will get better.

They got Auto ISO
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Actually since the Edsel Canon's had Auto-ISO, they just don't call it that. Perhaps Tim can inform us on how they're currently doing it. Canon had Highlight Tone Priority (HTP) before Nikon's D-Lighting, but now Canon calls it "Auto Lighting Optimizer". I know with the Edsel the Auto-ISO didn't work in manual mode, and it was maxed out at 3200. I think Canon's tweaked it.

and CLS (builtin wireless flash) yet?
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What's that? Why would anyone need to use a flash wirelessly without a Pocket Wizardâ„¢? ;)

(Ed Note: Pocket Wizard's latest release, in case you didn't notice, was only available for the Canon EOS EF E-TTL II mount to begin with. Nikon F iTTL mount coming soon)

Isn't this Canon's answer to the D90?
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Sounds like it, but it's hard to differentiate between the two lines, since Canon has three, while Nikon has four:

Beginner/consumer: Canon: Rebel line, Nikon: D40/60x, and D90 (D90 is different since it has a lens motor)
Prosumer: Canon: XXD / 5D, Nikon: D300 / D700
Professional: Canon: Edsel / Edsel(s), Nikon: D3 / D3x

Now, who's going to be the first with a sub-$1,000 FX body?
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Sony? My money is that Nikon's next gen sensor will incorporate some of Sony's improvements for CMOS (like that 'put the sensor on the back of the chip' thing); in return, Sony will manufacture the new one as a joint venture and Sony will get the 12mp FX sensor in return. Assuming of course, that it isn't Fuji that is manufacturing them for Nikon right now. In that case we'll probably see a new 24mp interpolated 12mp FX sensor that has those nifty white sensor sites so the next gen will have built in HDR....(one shot HDR)

That's just something I'm guessing at, no rumors, nothing...but it has been a while since we've heard from Fuji.
 
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This conversation, along with Paul's, reminds me of the change that has happened this decade. 10, 20 years ago you didn't change bodies that often. You bought a decent body but the "sensor" was used up after 36 pictures, and the "sensor" manufacturers were constantly modifying their "designs" to reduce "noise" and improve "sharpness", while certain sensors were designed to have better "shadow detail" than others because of their dynamic range. Of course, you had to go to a place that had the special equipment to "extract" the pictures from the "sensor". Then you bought more "sensors".

But the bulk of your money was spent on lenses;however, those "sensors" were more forgiving than the sensors of today, so the $200 Canon 28-105/3.5-4.5 USM was a great prosumer workhorse. Of course, back then, your choices of "L" lenses included the 20-35/2.8L, 28-70/2.8L, or the 35-350/3.5-5.6L USM. The f/4 lenses didn't exist yet. (But you could get a 1200/5.6L or a new 50/1.0L) And IS had just been released in the 75-300 and the 28-135...only.

If you wanted a better "sensor", all you had to do was stop buying "sensors" at room temperature, and instead buy your "sensors" that had been specially maintained at 55 degrees from the moment it was produced. You also had a choice of using "sensors" that produced images that you could see after they were "extracted", rather than ones that still needed processing after extraction in order to view the pictures.



Now, image quality is still dependent on the sensor, but the sensor isn't replaceable anymore. They usually don't wear out until they've taken hundreds of thousands of images - but they are fused with the body. If you want a new sensor, you have to buy a new body to go with it. But I think we're reached a cusp of technology that is better than what it was 5/6 years ago. I am getting shots that I never got with film, and couldn't even get with the D30. The noise at ISO 800 on my D30, well, let's say ISO 6400 laughs at it.
 
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After reading this thread I had a look at a couple of websites over here in the UK theand new eos500D (Rebel t1i) is being priced at about £65 (appox $100) more than the 50D, surly this new bit of kit can't be a better camera than the 50D, can it?
 
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After reading this thread I had a look at a couple of websites over here in the UK theand new eos500D (Rebel t1i) is being priced at about £65 (appox $100) more than the 50D, surly this new bit of kit can't be a better camera than the 50D, can it?
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Normally I'd say you were crazy, but it appears that for example, Calumet will be selling the 50D body for about €21 under the 500D. Weird. On this side of the pond it's going to be going for a few hundred dollars less, even at B&H prices for the 50D.

*dur* I forgot. The EU has crazy import fees for a video camera, which the 500D now qualifies as. So, I guess that it could be considered superior to the 50D. While the size may not be, this camera is about 6 months newer technology over the 50D, with the same sensor, so it should be better.
 
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Normally I'd say you were crazy, but it appears that for example, Calumet will be selling the 50D body for about €21 under the 500D. Weird. On this side of the pond it's going to be going for a few hundred dollars less, even at B&H prices for the 50D.

*dur* I forgot. The EU has crazy import fees for a video camera, which the 500D now qualifies as. So, I guess that it could be considered superior to the 50D. While the size may not be, this camera is about 6 months newer technology over the 50D, with the same sensor, so it should be better.
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Thanks Roger, I never knew about the EU import fees I guess that may be the reason for the explosion on prices on all camera equiptment we have experienced over the last couple of months.
 
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