Camera dilemmas!

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras & Equipment' started by Craig, Nov 4, 2013.

  1. Craig

    Craig Member Staff Member

    I am having a difficult time choosing a camera. I like the Sony nex-6, but I am not happy with its slow focusing, and inconsistent processing times. I missed many, many shots due to focus hunting.
    But, the colors and final image are beautiful with the nex-6. I just cant stand the hit or miss of getting the shot.

    Now, I am looking at the Nikon D610 vs Nikon 7100 vs the new Sony full frames.

    I really want the dials and buttons that my D300 has, but as you see, the colors are not even close to the ability of the newer camera.

    ideas, thoughts?

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  2. zackiedawg

    zackiedawg Member Staff Member

    It might take a little reworking of your photo settings and techniques to get the most from the NEX6...it's not going to match a good DSLR in every respect, such as tracking focus on a moving subject - but it can certainly acquire focus as quickly and accurately once you figure out the best settings and the best technique. ; As someone who has been shooting side-by-side DSLR and NEX for a few years now, I can tell you that I am at the point where I can focus anything, anytime, accurately and quickly with the NEX, as fast as I can with the DSLR...the only thing I can't do as well is use continuous autofocus and have it track a subject coming quickly at me...which I think would even be challenging on the NEX6 with PDAF on sensor - there's still not quite a substitute for big, dedicated PDAF sensors in a DSLR.


    A few things I find on the NEX that seem to help it...first and foremost, turn off the AF assist light if you haven't already. ; Noone can really explain why, but it seriously slows down the focus especially in low light where it hunts and hunts. ; With it off, my low light focusing is much faster. ; Second, use the spot focus point most of the time - it's the most accurate, and the most reliable, and usually the fastest. ; Keep the camera in AF-S mode, rather than continuous focus...even for moving subjects - you can always cycle the shutter button as needed to refocus a moving subject. ; There's a little bit of 'P&S' focus technique required with the mirrorless cameras - whereby you 'feed' a good contrast focus area to the spot focus point, then quickly recompose before shooting. ; Dedicated PDAF seems to lock on easier in lower light, whereas CDAF needs some decent contrast or pattern...so if shooting a person standing in a darkish room, use their hairline, eyebrow, collar, or shirt pattern to focus on and recompose. ; Look for light glints, vertical or diagonal lines, etc as the best places to focus on, as long as they are the right focal distance as your subject - then recompose and shoot.


    I really push my NEX focus system in very challenging conditions - birding in heavy shadow and mixed light, with long telephoto reach of 350mm+, through branches and clutter, with the bird often in shadow and partially blocked, and moving every few seconds...yet after getting used to handling my NEX a little differently from my DSLR, and using those settings I mentioned, I pretty much don't get missed focus anymore, and focus times are in the fractions of a second...I have no fear using the NEX instead of the DSLR for these types of shots - almost any shot, to be honest, though I know some situations like birds-in-flight or sports action where I need to pan and continuously focus, I know I'll need to work harder to get decent results and likely see a lower hit rate than the DSLR.


    That said, I can't say the NEX replaces a DSLR for me - I still shoot with both - it may be that you end up preferring a two-camera system...DSLR for the more demanding focus needs or fast subjects, and NEX for lighter weight and travel and normal photography needs. ; But try a few changes with the NEX, and see if a slightly different approach helps improve your focus speeds and reliability...it's very common on the NEX forum to see complaints of regularly missed focus and slow focus, yet there are almost equal numbers that seem to not suffer this problem at all - which tells me that it's mostly down to the photographer and the settings...it requires a little more attention and just right settings to work at its best.
     
  3. Paul

    Paul Member

    Craig,


    Did you consider the Olympus OM-D E-M5? I believe they are updating it soon. I'm starting to research downsized cameras and looking at all possibilities. The Sony cameras are of course on the list since everyone on the boards seem to like them. As Justin said, it appears difficult to replace a DSLR for everything, but getting closer.
     
  4. ELinder

    ELinder Member

    If one of your main concerns is focus performance, I found the D7100 much better than the D600. For sports or fast action, it was no contest.

    Erich
     
  5. Roger

    Roger Member Staff Member

    Craig, what lenses were you using?

    I recently had the chance to play with the two Touit lenses in store (hey Zeiss was giving away one) and the 32/1.8 was much snappier than the 12/2.8. ; Even though it was wide angle, it just..was better.
     
  6. gary

    gary Member

    I am a big fan of micro 4/3 mount. I have upgraded yet again to the Panasonic gh3 body. What I really like about M4/3 is that there is an ever increasing amount of lenses available from quite a few manufacturers, including the fact that Olympus and Panasonic can cross mount. In fact I like it so much that I will be only mirror less at pixel mania. I know there will be some shots I won't get. But it's less and less each upgrade. Battery life is twice what the gh2 was already. There are some really sharp fast primes out there now


    I still believed 2 years ago that one day the main dslr market would be this technology, and I believe that still
     
  7. Craig

    Craig Member Staff Member

    Thanks Everyone!!!!
    I have given this a lot of thought, and bought a Nikon D7100.
    The more I thought about this, it became an easy deciosion.
    If I kept the nex6, I wanted to buy a 18-200 and 35 1.8.
    If I bought the D610, I wanted to buy the full frame 28-200 (300?)
    Basically, any system I wanted to buy, I only wanted to replace my favorite lens, that I already own.

    I have been very happy with the DX format, so the d7100 seems like a perfect fit.

    I like the nex6, but I don't need two bodies, and the extra expense to replace lenses I already own is foolish.

    I do think my next camera probably will be mirrorless, but I will wait and see. Right now, I want to stick with my 18-200 and trusty 50 1.4.
     
  8. ddindy

    ddindy Member Staff Member

    Smart move, Craig. ; All the cool kids use Nikons. :D

    The 28-300 on a crop sensor? ; That's 42-450, baby; almost a Bigma. ; Rent one and try it out!
     
  9. zackiedawg

    zackiedawg Member Staff Member

    Sounds like a solid plan. ; A fine camera and it should do you well. ; Your future may eventually be a two-camera rig - I personally love having a mirrorless and a DSLR and couldn't imagine being without both - but if you must choose one camera, a DSLR sounds like it will work best for you. ; Having just used both my cameras on my cruise this past week, it's amazing how much I split duties between them - I had 630 photos on one camera, and 599 on the other...almost dead-heat 50/50 use. ; The NEX when I want lighter and smaller, and the DSLR when I need special types of photos or don't mind the weight.
     
  10. Scottwdw

    Scottwdw Member

    Well, now that you've decided...put a Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 DX Wide Angle lens on your Christmas list. ; :D
     
  11. Craig

    Craig Member Staff Member

    Thanks guys! So far, I'm loving the new camera!

    Scott, I am already thinking that! or maybe the Nikon 10-16? that's out there!
     
  12. ELinder

    ELinder Member

    I have the Tokina 11-16 f/2.8 too, and I love it. It's almost as sharp as my 17-55 f/2.8

    Erich
     

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