More Wishes from the Contemporary

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  1. Craig

    Craig Member Staff Member

    Here are some more Wishes shots from the Contemporary. #540 has a new firework that they are using right over the castle!

    #547 is from the finale!! The FIRST time I have ever been able to get the finale without blowing it out!!!!

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  2. prettypixie

    prettypixie Member

    Absolutely beautiful shots Craig! I'm so jealous, I'm still working on learning how to shoot fireworks. Hopefully I can get some good stuff during the holidays.
     
  3. Craig

    Craig Member Staff Member

    Thanks PrettyPixie!
     
  4. mSummers

    mSummers Member

    They look great! Nice work Craig!
     
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  5. JoePenniston

    JoePenniston Member

    All beautiful shots! I especially like #545... how long was the exposure? Looks pretty long.
     
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  6. Craig

    Craig Member Staff Member

    Thanks everybody!

    That one was 6 1/2 seconds. The exif is still in all the photos if you want to see it.
     
  7. mPower

    mPower Member

    f38 craig (on 545)? What lens was that?
     
  8. Craig

    Craig Member Staff Member

    the 80-400VR. that's my main lens for the contemporary shots!
     
  9. PolynesianMedic

    PolynesianMedic Global Moderator Staff Member

    Craig these are awesome shots! You have really gotten the hang of these. The colors you are capturing are simply wonderful. Great Job!
     
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  10. Scottwdw

    Scottwdw Member

    I don't understand the use of such small apertures, Craig. You are shooting at ISO 200 so f/16 should be enough. It's my understanding when using digital, f/22 and smaller is a bad thing because of recipricity. (I think I got that right)
     
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  11. Craig

    Craig Member Staff Member

    Scott, I wish I knew how type out a giggle as I say I don't know the answer!

    I pick these small apertures, thinking "small hole = less light = no blown out colors on my fireworks."

    edit- and small aperture means long shutter speeds without losing the castle or space mountain too while assuming that the fireworks are SO bright that they will expose no matter what f-stop I used. sometimes, I have the shutter open 20 sec or more waiting for the fireworks.
     
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  12. JoePenniston

    JoePenniston Member

    I choose a really small aperture when shooting fireworks as well. Like you said, you can achieve a longer shutter speed without blow outs that way. At least that's my theory. I've only shot fireworks once with a tripod though [giggling with Craig].

    I take that back, I've shot fireworks twice now on a tripod. Well, one was on a bean bag on a table, but same thing really.
     
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  13. Dan

    Dan Member

    Reciprocity failure is for film. Crudely put, it means that if you take a long duration exposure you have to make it even longer because the chemistry of film becomes somehow desensitized. I never quite understood the mechanism, but it appears that if you slowly expose it it responds worse than if you got it all in a fraction of a second.

    Digital is blissfully free of that.. feature.. instead we have to deal with accumulated noise over time instead.

    But then there's diffraction, an optical effect that steps in at narrower apertures that can reduce the sharpness of an image. A quick search suggests that, for example, diffraction sets in around F11 for a 20D. The smaller the pixel pitch, the sooner the effects are felt. It's not a uniquely digital problem, but the high resolution of digital sensors might make it more noticeable.

    As to the way narrow apertures treat fireworks shots, I have a guess that they have a unique benefit. I've elaborated on this before... it appears that "point sources" (think a star in the sky, it's effectively a single point of light) behave differently than area sources of light. If you narrow the aperture it'll effect the area sources more, so things like lit up buildings will grow dimmer faster than the point light sources, it's supposed to be the ratio of the aperture to the focal length that determines the brightness of point sources instead of just the aperture.

    So my guess is that, in terms of fireworks shooting (fireworks probably look like point sources to a camera), what you're doing is effectively reducing the brightness of the buildings more than you are the firework trails. It probably also further dims the illuminated smoke. So it allows you to shoot longer exposures without blowing out the buildings yet doesn't dim the fireworks as much, but probably makes them sharper and more defined, like narrow trails instead of blown out paths.


    I hope that made sense, I'm having difficulty elaborating on this concept that's fairly well defined in my mind but hard to communicate. What I'm getting at is that for a longer exposure the individual fireworks aren't necessarily any brighter, I mean a single firework trail only occurs only a small period of time, it's not constantly glowing over the entire exposure. So you don't necessarily want to dim that too much, but the buildings are lit over the entire time span so are in more danger of being blown out. So this point source thing may conveniently allow you to capture more fireworks in a single frame without blowing out the foreground.
     
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  14. JoePenniston

    JoePenniston Member

    Like this Dan? (f/29)

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    I think what you said makes sense. I think I'll stick to small apertures for fireworks, because I just like the effect.
     
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  15. Craig

    Craig Member Staff Member

    that's fantastic Joe! how many seconds for that shot?
     
  16. JoePenniston

    JoePenniston Member

    Thanks Craig... this one was a ten second exposure.
     
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  17. Scottwdw

    Scottwdw Member

    I'm glad I asked! Here I was thinking to stay away from anything beyond f/16. 30 days before I'm at WDW, going to bag me some fireworks shots for sure! :)
     
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  18. Craig

    Craig Member Staff Member

    In normal situations I would never shoot at that f-stop, but a little bit of sharpness loss is an easy trade for perfectly colored fireworks.

    Anyway, the castle is usually shrouded in some smoke anyway. (from the contemporary)
     
  19. PolynesianMedic

    PolynesianMedic Global Moderator Staff Member

    Joe that is a GREAT shot!
     
  20. JoePenniston

    JoePenniston Member

    Thanks, I got lucky, really. It was my first attempt at fireworks and the last shot of the series. On a whim I decided to try 10 seconds and that's what I got... :)
     
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