Low power flash at MNSSHP

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras & Equipment' started by ddindy, Oct 2, 2011.

  1. ddindy

    ddindy Member Staff Member

    A shot came to mind this morning and I'd like opinions on the feasability.

    If you've been to Mickey's Not So Scary Halloween Party and seen the Boo To You parade, you know that one of the best units is the gravedigger drill team. ; One of the things they do is create sparks by dragging their shovels on the street.

    I'd love to get a shot of this, and here's the idea that came to me: ; Take a relatively long exposure (in the range of 1/10 to 1/30 second) to get the sparks. ; Use a flash dialed down to low (maybe 1/64 or 1/128) power and rear curtain sync. ; This will freeze the characters at the end of the exposure, but the low power will (I hope) still keep things relatively dark.

    What do you think? ; Is there any chance this will work? ; Since I'm going to MNSSHP twice, I theoretically will have four chances to try it.
     
  2. gary

    gary Member

    ya got 4 chances at them, give it a try and if your first party is before pixelmania, bring us a report on it
     
  3. Tim

    Tim Administrator Staff Member

    Yes, Dennis that should work. ;

    from my htc thunderbolt
     
  4. ddindy

    ddindy Member Staff Member

    Thanks guys. ; I'll be at MNSSHP the Sunday before Pixelmania, looking for yetis and gathering candy!
     
  5. Zeagle

    Zeagle Member

    I'll be there that night as well. What meet are you attending?

     
  6. RedOctober25

    RedOctober25 Member

    What time are the fireworks that night. ; I am flying in on sunday, but will proably shoot the show from the top of the world lounge.
     
  7. mSummers

    mSummers Member

    Hallowishes should be at 9:30
     
  8. ddindy

    ddindy Member Staff Member

    I wasn't aware of any meets. ; I'm just going to the party to enjoy it without the pressure of Pixelmania. :)
     
  9. Zeagle

    Zeagle Member

    Cool, I'll be coming into town the friday before. You should hang out with us on Sunday, also eating at Liberty Tree as well.

     
  10. mSummers

    mSummers Member

    Dennis, ; I had the exact same idea. ; A slower shutter speed with rear sync flash like you suggested should work. ; I was thinking that a higher flash power would be needed, but since that is dependent on both the aperture and the distance the light has to travel you will have to pick it on the fly.

    I am thinking about shooting that and the ballroom dancers with a tripod so I can let the background burn in and stay sharp. ;

    Good luck and if you have a chance, please let us know how you did and what settings you used.
     
  11. RedOctober25

    RedOctober25 Member

    Just read the All Ears review (with photos) and after seeing which characters are available for Meet-n-Greets it looks like I might be going sunday night after flying in ( and will shoot the fireworks tuesday night after eating at O'Hana). ; So, let me know if everyone is meeting for parade and fireworks and if I am done with the Greets I will swing by.
     
  12. Zeagle

    Zeagle Member

    Should work and would provide an interesting exposure. I had really good light for the parade over in Adventureland. May not need the flash though, as I was getting 1/125 with a 30D a few years back.

    Pic from Adventureland ; http://www.redskynight.net/img/v2/p435272878-4.jpg

     
  13. ddindy

    ddindy Member Staff Member

    That's a great shot. ; Do you remember approximately where in Adventureland? ; I was thinking of shooting the first parade in Adventureland and the second on Main Street.

    That's the kind of shot I want for most of the parade, but the gravedigger shot I have in mind would be darker to emphasize the sparks. ; Of course, it's really all a matter of timing - the sparking shovels are only a small part of their drill routine.
     
  14. Zeagle

    Zeagle Member

    I do not remember exactly where I was positioned. Do remember looking for spot lights from the roof tops that fell onto the road. The sparks are hit or miss, the last few times I was at MNSSHP the shovels did not spark much at all. Wonder if certain areas of the pavement, through tout the route, produce better sparks.

     
  15. gary

    gary Member

    liberty square area is where karen and i watched the parade last year, lot's of sparks
     
  16. mSummers

    mSummers Member

    I think all of the pavement is concrete, so it should produce about the same sparks. ; More likely, the angle of the shovel and how hard they're pressing down dictates the amount of sparks.
     
  17. Tim

    Tim Administrator Staff Member

    Re: Re: Low power flash at MNSSHP

    Agreed.

    from my htc thunderbolt
     
  18. Scottwdw

    Scottwdw Member

    I did use rear-sync flash for this parade with some good results. ; I did not for the grave diggers. ; I opted for the nifty-fifty in a well lighted spot in Frontierland. ; A slow shutter with rear sync...say 1/40 to 1/50 may work if you time it for when they to get at the end of a swipe. ; They hesitate for just a second before raising the shovels.

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    Nikon D700/50mm, 1/400s, f/1.8, ISO 3200, EV +0.6.

    In contrast, this was taken using rear-sync with a Nikon SB-600 Speedlight at -1.0 power.

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    Nikon D700/50mm, 1/125s, f/2.8, ISO 1600, EV +0.6.

    In retrospect, the EV on the camera should have been at 0 and used the power on the flash to alter the light. ; The flash was on the camera, too. ; Anyone want to be a VAL for me? ; Someone tall, please. ; ;)
     
  19. mSummers

    mSummers Member

  20. mSummers

    mSummers Member

    I thought about trying that with a Justin Clamp on a post or railing, but something tells me Disney might not let us get away with that. ; ; ;)
     

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